Interview: Giro Gregarios

Paolo Tiralongo with team leader Fabio Aru in 2014 (Cor Vos)
Paolo Tiralongo with team leader Fabio Aru in 2014 (Cor Vos)

Before the Giro I spoke to three men – three riders who have all won stages at the race but are more well-known as workers, or gregarios, for others.

Astana veteran Paolo Tiralongo helped Vincenzo Nibali win the Giro in 2013, as well as working for Alberto Contador during his now-nullified 2010 victory. He has also experienced personal triumph at the race, winning stages in 2011 and 2012.

Australian Adam Hansen is riding his fourth Giro in a row for Lotto-Soudal, his sixth overall. A key part of André Greipel’s sprint train, Hansen won a Giro stage back in 2013.

Cannondale-Garmin rider Ramunas Navardauskas was part of the squad that assisted Ryder Hesjedal’s unlikely Giro win in 2012. The Lithuanian wore the pink jersey for two stages that year, and went on to take a stage win of his own a year later.

Here’s what the trio had to say about La Corsa Rosa and their experiences with the race.


Memories of the Giro from before you became professional?

Tiralongo: This will be my thirteenth Giro. Cycling has changed a lot since I was young, before there was more room for personal initiative – now everything is focused on the team and the leader.

Hansen: Actually I didn’t follow the Giro, or any professional cycling, before I moved to Europe [In 2003 Hansen swapped mountain biking in Australia for racing at Continental level in Austria.]

Navardauskas:  I remember Cipollini. I always heard about big names like that but when you’re a kid you never think that one day you’ll be there too.

Tiralongo after his 2013 win at Rocca di Cambio (Cor Vos)
Tiralongo after his 2013 win at Rocca di Cambio (Cor Vos, also header image)
Where does the Giro rank for you?

Tiralongo: For me, and every Italian rider, it’s the most important race of the season. It’s our home country and we are more visible, more popular than at any other race.

I think that everyone who can finish this race is a hero. Even if you don’t win, the climbs are equally long for all. Cold is cold, rain is rain – it’s the same for everybody.

Hansen: It’s definitely one of my favourite races. I’ve been a few times and every day you’re racing, every day you have a chance. It’ll be my eleventh Grand Tour in a row, and I think the plan is just to keep going.

Navardauskas: It’s been a lucky race for me and I have good memories of it. Sadly I’m not at the race this year but as always work is work – the Giro, Tour, Vuelta, wherever you go it’s always a big responsibility for the team.

Working for others vs winning for yourself?

Tiralongo: A real gregario is happy when a teammate or leader wins. You’re happy because you know you have contributed to the result. The team has to come first to achieve certain results – it’s the only way.

The victory at Macugnaga [in 2011] was my first. I arrived at the finish with my friend, Alberto Contador, who was my teammate at Astana the year before – we helped each other. The next year I desired the win at Rocca di Cambio [beating Michele Scarponi], and fought for it. They were special moments.

Hansen: For instance when Greipel wins it’s very special because the whole team is working, protecting him from the wind and so on. And you do feel proud of it, and I think that’s one of the good things about being a domestique.

As for my stage win, it was just all the years of riding, all the years of being a domestique – everything paid off in that moment. It felt like the small token or present you get for finally making it. The win was the greatest moment of my cycling career.

The day when I won – it was the kind of day where you want to be in the break because the weather is so bad. In the last ten kilometres I was thinking “the peloton will come or I’ll crash or flat any moment now.” It was an unexpected win.

Navardauskas: When your leader has a chance to win, it’s always bigger. A leader that wins the General Classification has made his career – in the future you can tell your friends, your kids that I was there, I helped that.

Anything is possible – when we started the Giro, Ryder was more of an outsider and then we started getting better as a team, every day more motivated. That win is like a personal win.

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Hansen won a rain-soaked stage to Pescara in 2013 (Cor Vos)
Giro vs other Grand Tours?

Tiralongo: The Giro is the hardest. Its climbs are long and steep, real climbs. Additionally, the weather is more uncertain and it can be really cold. On the other hand the Tour is hotter but the race is more controlled in comparison. The Vuelta is, of course, the hottest and the fastest.

Hansen: The Tour is where results count, where you have more sponsor pressure. At the Vuelta, they bring in young guys and it’s a good chance to build for the Worlds. It gives you more opportunities to have a go too, but it’s also more relaxed – you wake up later and start racing later.

As for the Giro, I think it’s the most traditional Grand Tour. They’re real cycling fans, whereas at the Tour there are more tourists – it’s a big circus. The Giro is more pure in that way.

In terms of racing, I think the Giro is the hardest but the Tour is the hardest to win at. It’s harder to finish the Giro than it is to finish the Tour. The ultimate goal is to complete the set and win a Tour stage too.

Navardauskas: I’ve never done the Vuelta but I think that some years the Giro is much harder than the Tour. The mountains are harder and it has difficult stages. Sometimes there’s really bad weather makes it even harder.

The Tour has a bigger name than the Giro but it’s very hard to do well in either. When you’re in the race you don’t think about comparisons though.

Best and worst Giro memories?

Tiralongo: My two victories are the best. The ugliest memory I have is the 2013 edition. Despite Vincenzo Nibali’s victory it was three weeks of agony for me because I was ill. I didn’t give up though.

Hansen: 2007 was pretty bad – I broke my hand. It was my first Grand Tour and I didn’t know what to expect.

I think the stage last year, going up the Gavia – that was pretty bad. It was a nightmare – we didn’t really know what was going on. There wasn’t really a race going on because you couldn’t see anybody.

Navardauskas: Obviously I had my first stage victory at a Grand Tour there, and I have worn the pink jersey. They are very, very happy memories. From the Grand Tours I have done I can say that every rider has his own very bad day.

I think the worst for me was in 2012, when I rode the Giro a month and a half after I broke my collarbone. On the third stage I crashed – it didn’t break again but for several days after every stage was really hard and exhausting.

The stage finish suits all-rounder Ramunas Navardauskas (Cor Vos)
Navardauskas wore the pink jersey in 2012 (Cor Vos)
The hardest Giro stage?

Tiralongo: I can’t say one stage but the 2011 edition, won by Contador. I have never seen so many tired riders. There was a lot of climbing despite the alteration of the Zoncolan stage [there was 409km of climbing on the original route].

Hansen: Definitely the Gavia stage. It’s one thing to be cold while you’re racing because you can get heat from that, but it was the descents. When you have fifteen-twenty kilometre descents, you’re just freewheeling and getting colder and colder.

Navardauskas: In 2012, when Hesjedal was our leader and he was in second place. It was the king stage – huge, huge mountains – and I remember it was very hard from the beginning with huge steep climbs. Yeah (laughs) it was just very hard.

Goals for 2015?

Tiralongo: In the Giro I will work for Fabio Aru – I have a lot of experience so that will help. We have a strong team and the aim is to win the Giro. I don’t know if it will be my last participation – it will be up to me to decide when I retire [Tiralongo’s contract runs out this season].

Hansen: It’s very new for the team because we have both Greipel for the sprints and Van Den Broeck as our GC guy. It’s going to be exciting. And, looking at the parcours, maybe there will be chances for me to go on the attack too.

Navardauskas: I was a reserve for the Giro so I had to be ready to race but seeing as I am not going to Italy this is my time to rest after Romandie. Next I will go to Germany [to the Bayern Rundfahrt] and then we will see from there. I just try to get good results and work for the team everywhere I go.

Interview: Chris Boardman

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Former World Time Trial Champion, Tour de France stage winner and Hour Record holder Chris Boardman joined the assembled press on the final stage Tour of Britain on Sunday. In a twenty minute chat he offered his thoughts on Brad Wiggins’ chances in the upcoming Worlds TT, Alex Dowsett’s future prospects and ex-teammate Jens Voigt’s Hour Record attempt, among other things. Here’s what he had to say.

What have you thought of Alex Dowsett’s Tour?

You could see in his face early on that he was trying to do something, and he forced it to pay off. It made a fantastic story for the whole race, so then to see him lose it the next day was disappointing. But on the flipside there’s been what 6 leaders in 7 days? It’s brilliant for the viewers isn’t it? and obviously I’ve been watching it on tv – it just made a really good package. It’s by far the best race I’ve seen since I came back.

And the six man teams?

Yeah I think six man teams have been good for the race, and I’ve always been a fan of no radios which is a bit contentious and seems to polarize opinions. The team has to do everything for itself on the road – they can’t have someone watching it live and dictating the shots – you’ve got to do it all, not just ride hard but sort the tactics and manage your own troops. I love that, so I think that yeah, that’s a very good point.

Dowsett won the overall combativity prize at the Tour of Britain (SweetSpot)
Dowsett won the overall combativity prize at the Tour of Britain (SweetSpot)

Can Brad Wiggins (or anybody) catch Martin in the Worlds TT?

I don’t think the Tour of Britain is ideal preparation, personally. The Vuelta – you can’t replicate that kind of workload in training. As intense as this race is, it’s a week. And it also needs to be part of a whole package, building up to something. I bet Brad will be competitive but Tony Martin’s appetite for winning doesn’t seem to go away does it?

Tony just commits to that one thing. I suppose it’s because he knows he can be World Champion again and it’s the biggest thing in the year that belongs to him, not necessarily the team. But he is a tough person to beat at the moment and I think that’ll be the case for a couple of years.

Is there a chink in Martin’s armour?

Not for that particular event. I mean, I think later on his career he’s come to understand that he’s a lot better than he thought he was. Because he can climb really well and now and again he shows flashes of that. But this is the one thing that belongs to him.

I like the fact that I can see from a technical part of view that he’s looked at every aspect of what he’s doing which is symptomatic, rather than causal of his success. Every nuance of clothing that he uses, the position that he’s in and his bike and how he rides it, gear choice – you can see that he thinks about all of it. In fact Alex Dowsett is very similar actually – there’s an awful lot of thought going into what he’s doing – he doesn’t just go out and smash it.

Tony Martin, current World TT Champion (Cor Vos)
Tony Martin, current World TT Champion (Cor Vos)

Can you see where Brad can narrow the gap?

Well you see it’s difficult actually. I struggled when Brad was 3rd in the Tour – when he did that I thought, blimey I can’t think of anything else he can do – he rode that tactically excellently, he was about as skinny as he’s gonna get, physically he was as good as he’s ever been. I couldn’t work out what he could do differently. Sometimes I think it’s just carrying on doing the same thing.

Has Dowsett got potential to step up to be ‘the new Brad’?

I think 2 years before Brad emerged as a tour contender, everyone would have said Brad wouldn’t either. It’s very hard to say for sure in this modern era. But you can see the ingredients can’t you – you can see someone thought on their feet in the race and adapted a strategy to fit the situation he was in. The technical side of it he’s all over – he’s a very strong time trialist.

I think it probably just comes down to climbing really. Can he lose the amount of weight he needs to do that and to do that well? I mean the engine’s got to be there. And also whether he gets given a shot, which is always the danger of joining a big team – it’s that you’re constantly at the support of someone else and each year ticks away and you’ve probably only got about ten opportunities.

Is he likely to be Olympic TT contender in 2016?

Yeah we’ve seen flashes – for instance at his Giro ride. We’ve seen more than flashes – we’ve seen potential and we’ve seen it realised on occasion, so you’ve got to say yes absolutely. His ride at the Commonwealth Games – albeit in his world it was probably not the biggest thing – it was a Championship among best people in the world and he achieved that win. That can make a big difference to somebody’s outlook of their own capabilities, how much they commit to doing and seek out the opportunities.

Do you think there should be someone looking to create a British WorldTour team with a British majority? The depth of British talent is there.

We’ll you have enough ingredients now haven’t you – you haven’t got 30 guys where you think they’re the best in the world and we’ll take ten of them. You’ve got enough riders now to just go and do it. It hasn’t been Dave’s strategy in recent years but they’ve got the potential to do it and I think we’d all love to see it.

I don’t think it’s a particularly good idea from a performance point of view – to make one of your strategies “I’m only going to look in this pool” but you could make it British-biased if you wanted to and it would be highly successful if it was implemented at the moment.

Team Sky at the Vuelta (ASO)
Team Sky at the Vuelta (ASO)

Is it something that you’d support or..

I’d support it but I wouldn’t want anything to do with it (laughs). It just, well it eats your life you know? I mean you guys know travelling around on a race like this that even on this side of the fence you say “Oh yeah I’ll do that and I’ll do this” and suddenly your entire year has gone. You’ve only got to say yes to ten things and it’s full. So it’s massively time consuming.

But yeah it’d be lovely to see and I think it’d be awesome for British sport and cycling in general. The visibility we’ve had this year.. I mean really we could’ve done with having the Commonwealth Games being next year to help keep cycling in the public consciousness – so that there’s something there every year and it’d help us on several fronts.

Would you point Halfords in that direction?

I’m not sure they’re big enough. Their business is mostly UK based, UK focused, and you’re buying an international team, which is potentially 4 or 5 times bigger than one of the British Continental teams.

Have you spoken to Jens about his the Hour Record?

No, we’ve exchanged a couple of texts and things. This is my post-Tour time with kids so I’ve been in the Lakes with them and up in Scotland this week so I haven’t been able to get involved. People said “go over and watch” and it’s a tough one actually because he is ace and it’d be lovely to see but no, we’ve got family plans and I’m gonna stick to them which is what I said 14 years ago.

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Jens Voigt with his Hour Record bike (M.Schmid)

Is this what the hour record needed?

It’s been a messy year – you know the UCI have said you can ride like this and now you can’t.. What are we gonna do with this then – stick it on the shelf over there.. Erm yeah it’s been messy. I think it’s nice they’ve found a way to reinvigorate it – they’ve just basically said “Stop. We’ll just start again. Right off you go.” It’s great – you’ll get Jens doing it, you’ll get Cancellara, hopefully Bradley and then you’ll probably get a spate of people.

If you look at the history of the record it’s always been like that hasn’t it? It’s been like buses – nothing, nothing, three at once. It’s the way of it because somebody will take it to a level and then everyone else will got ooh, I’m not sure about that – because there’s no second place and then it’ll be left for a while.

It should be good fun anyway.

Yeah it will be. I think just the fact it’s being done again will be good. And Jens is doing it in a sensible way – just get in there quick and try to do it.

Do you think he’ll do it?

Well I don’t know what the record is. I mean have they set- What actually is the mark? Is it 49 kilometres or.. Ok so it’s 49 – I’d says he’ll be able to yeah. It’s not gonna be a walk in the park but yeah he can do that. Jens is a big unit and it’s not his forte – he’s just a big strong lad. So I would’ve thought so.

He wouldn’t have done much riding on the track would he?

It is important because something like that it’s just consecutive laps. It adds up – small errors add up and add up. I mean, we looked at covering a hat and not covering a hat in 2000 and that was 500 metres difference in the end. Ridiculous little things. But when you’re sat in what is effectively a wind tunnel really still – tiny things make a difference and they add up. I think he’ll just approach it as usual – smash it and stop when someone tells him to stop and see what happens. And I think he’ll probably do it.

Boardman during his Hour Record bid (CW)
Boardman during his Hour Record bid (CW)

How close do you think he can get to your mark? (56.375km) How do you think he’ll compare to your attempt in the extreme position?

(Puts arms out in Superman position) This kind of thing? Without that I think he misses 3 seconds a kilometre. So I think – I mean it’s a shame because at the time, I was in the best form I ever had, had the lowest pressure, everything was just perfect – really high temperature, Tour de France conditioning to deal with the really high temperature and it was just beautiful.

But I think without the technological advantages it’ll be tough, but you never say never. I mean it’s been surpassed at 4km distance. When they’re doing 4:15s, which is now regular at the World Championships, even if you’re at that pace for the hour you’re going the same as the 4:11 pace if you’re riding like this (puts arms out in Superman position again) but I think without that it’ll be tough.

Interview: Chad Haga

Chad Haga (teamgiantshimano.com/© Cor Vos)

Texas native Chad Haga is currently in the middle of his first season in Europe with Giant-Shimano. So far he has put in some strong time trial performances at the Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen, Tour of California and Baloise Tour of Belgium as well as helping his team to multiple stage wins at WorldTour races Volta a Catalunya and the Critérium du Dauphiné.

I talked to him last month to ask about his plans for the future, the difference between racing in the US and Europe and more.

Chad finished sixth on the mountainous stage to Greater Palm Springs (optumprocycling.com)
Chad finished sixth on the mountainous stage to Greater Palm Springs (optumprocycling.com)

Haga, who has a degree in mechanical engineering, came into prominence at last year’s Tour of California, where he beat the likes of Andy Schleck, Haimar Zubeldia and Leopold König to finish tenth overall at the race.

Chad moved to Colorado to join the domestic Rio Grande team in 2011. August saw him move to Optum p/b Kelly Benefit Strategies, where he stayed for two seasons. He showed his time trialling promise with prologue victories at the 2011 Mount Hood Classic and 2012 Cascade Classic.

His career in the US wasn’t all plain sailing though, as a pileup whilst leading a National Racing Calendar event in 2012 saw Chad break bones in his left wrist and right thumb. The injuries meant he missed out on the Tour of Utah, US Pro Cycling Challenge and also a chance to ride in the World Championships TTT.

Chad on the way to winning the 2012 Cascade Classic prologue (J.Devich)
Chad on the way to winning the 2012 Cascade Classic prologue (J.Devich)

He bounced back the following season though, and in addition to his Tour of California result he won the prologue of the Tour of Elk Grove – a race he podiumed in 2011. Earlier in the season, Chad finished second place overall at his first European race, the Volta ao Alentejo.

The future looks bright for Chad as he takes a step up to the WorldTour and the biggest races in pro cycling with the Dutch team, joining fellow ex-pats Lawson Craddock and Thomas Peterson.

 

I saw your strong TTs in Cali and Belgium, nice work. What have you got coming up this season in terms of races and goals?

The Dauphine was the last race before my summer break. For the second half of the season, my schedule is still up in the air a bit.

I don’t have any specific goals for the rest of the season as far as results at a target race–my goals are focused more on making the roster for certain races like the Vuelta or Worlds TTT. Those are both races that I would really like to do, but I have to prove that I can handle a grand tour and that I’m strong enough to be a good addition to the TTT roster.

Aside from those, I just really want to get a win before the season ends, so I’ll be on the lookout for any opportunity that arises at whatever races I’m doing

Chad at the 2014 Tour of California (atwistedspoke.com)
Chad at the 2014 Tour of California (atwistedspoke.com)

Are you noticing a lot of differences between racing in Europe and the US? I had always imagined it to be a big step up, even with the European teams coming over for Colorado and Cali, but you seem to have adjusted quickly.

Racing in Europe has a lot of differences when compared to the US, but also the ProTour races in general are different. The fields are larger and deeper in talent, the races are longer, the roads are narrower with more traffic furniture and turns. There are a lot of little things that, when added together, make for a big adjustment.

Add all that to a first season spent entirely in Europe, and it can be a real shock to the system. All that said, it’s still bike racing, so we’re hardly fish out of water.

With your time trialing abilities, are you looking to build your career around specialising in that discipline? Or is developing more towards being a GC contender in stage races the way you want to go?

I definitely would like to specialize in time-trialing, but it really goes hand-in-hand with developing as a GC rider as well. A lot of stage races are TT-centric when it comes to the GC (like the Belgium Tour, for example), so becoming a GC rider depends heavily on TT skills.

I’m not of the same build as the true TT specialists like Martin or Cancellara or Phinney, so it is less likely that I can become truly dominant at the highest levels of the sport in all time trials. I can use the time trials to separate me from other GC riders who might climb better than me, however.

Racing through the tunnel in the Dauphine time trial (teamgiantshimano.com/© Cor Vos)
Racing through the tunnel in the Dauphine time trial (teamgiantshimano.com/© Cor Vos)

Speaking of Phinney, you guys along with Tejay and a large number of the Garmin roster amongst others are all part of the new wave of American riders that have emerged in the wake of the USADA/USPS ordeal. From the outside it seems where there used to be pressure to dope, now there’s a pressure to be clean.

Is that the kind of vibe that you can feel throughout today’s peloton? Is there a definite pressure to prove things are different now?

There’s definitely a pressure to be clean now, for both the riders and the teams. Fans and sponsors alike have been burned by investing emotion and money into the sport, and are rightly timid now after everything that has come out lately. These people still love the sport, though, and the they look to the new generation of riders to cheer on.

I think the responsibility to prove that things are different now falls on those who have been involved with its shady past. For riders like me, all I can do is race and train honestly as the sport recovers. To that end, it’s fantastic being on an outspoken anti-doping team where I don’t have to worry myself about it.

Going back to the USPS scandal some of those older guys must’ve been role models of yours right? Were you kinda let down when it all happened or do you just feel that all just a product of that period in cycling?

I didn’t follow racing outside of the Tour until fairly recently, so I was never familiar with any of the big names in cycling besides Lance. I admired Lance as a bike racer, but he was not my role model. I was definitely disappointed to learn the extent of doping in the past, and I refuse to pass it off as just a product of that period. Regardless of what pressure they may have felt at the time, they were adults who made a decision to cheat.

Waiting to start at the Tour of California time trial (teamgiantshimano.com/© Cor Vos)
Waiting to start at the Tour of California time trial (teamgiantshimano.com/© Cor Vos)

So the team’s stance must have had a big impact in your decision to join? I know most teams are trying to be clean nowadays but there are several who stand out as being more vocal on the issue, Giant-Shimano included.

What other factors made you choose them?

Yeah, the team’s stance was a big selling point for me, peace of mind is a big deal when considering your employer. The biggest reason that I chose the team, however, was their enthusiasm for my development.

They didn’t want to just pull me up to the top level, plug me in, and hope for the best. They said, “Hey, we think you’d do well in the WorldTour anyways, but we want to take an active role in helping you reach your full potential.” It’s hard not to be excited when you hear that!

 

You can keep up with Chad on Twitter and his blog. Check out Giant-Shimano’s website here.

Interview: Francesco Manuel Bongiorno

Bongiorno at the 2013 Giro (tdwsport.com)

Its this blog’s first ever rider interview, and Francesco Manuel Bongiorno of Bardiani – CSF agreed to answer some questions after the Giro. His team won three stages and Bongiorno was in contention for the win on Zoncolan until a push from a fan ruined his challenge. There’s also a look at his career so far for those who aren’t familiar. Continue reading “Interview: Francesco Manuel Bongiorno”